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		<title>Comment on Does the Declaration of Independence Establish America as a Christian Nation? by Tope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 23:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any nation.]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on The Theater of Life by Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Haha. I try to stay away from schemes these days. Had some trouble because of them in the past. I still got a few, but even my legacy won&#039;t be significant when everyone and everything is dead. I guess that&#039;s why we need you left-brainers to find us a new place to live...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha. I try to stay away from schemes these days. Had some trouble because of them in the past. I still got a few, but even my legacy won&#8217;t be significant when everyone and everything is dead. I guess that&#8217;s why we need you left-brainers to find us a new place to live&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Theater of Life by Siyeh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Siyeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 20:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;quite possibly irrelevant in the grand scheme of things&quot;

If you think your life is at all relevant in the grand scheme of things, you aren&#039;t thinking about grand enough schemes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;quite possibly irrelevant in the grand scheme of things&#8221;</p>
<p>If you think your life is at all relevant in the grand scheme of things, you aren&#8217;t thinking about grand enough schemes.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Shakin&#8217; up Shakespeare in a Gonzo Cure-all Cocktail by Larry Munro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Munro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 04:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[its a sad day when we realize that many people of our day haven&#039;t the slightest patience to allow some of the most classic of works to paint its pictures in the head of the reader without having some sort of visual aid.   has the world succumb to the iron grip of instant gratification?  is the mind no longer the best tool for imagination?  Fuck, are we all doomed to confine ourselves to some sort of device?  I won&#039;t go out like that.  You can&#039;t even be caught reading a paperback in a semi-public place without drawing a few stares...  
    Great article, looking forward to whatever you got for us next.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its a sad day when we realize that many people of our day haven&#8217;t the slightest patience to allow some of the most classic of works to paint its pictures in the head of the reader without having some sort of visual aid.   has the world succumb to the iron grip of instant gratification?  is the mind no longer the best tool for imagination?  Fuck, are we all doomed to confine ourselves to some sort of device?  I won&#8217;t go out like that.  You can&#8217;t even be caught reading a paperback in a semi-public place without drawing a few stares&#8230;<br />
    Great article, looking forward to whatever you got for us next.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Collections Shedding Containers by Thompson</title>
		<link>http://gogonzojournal.com/top_stories/collections-shedding-containers#comment-4268</link>
		<dc:creator>Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 21:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m glad this site has been helpful in blurring the line between academic and informal. Feel free to use what you like.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad this site has been helpful in blurring the line between academic and informal. Feel free to use what you like.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Collections Shedding Containers by Deb B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deb B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 21:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that “one of the educational opportunities new media provides is a first-hand experience for students to shed light on the myth that academic writing is simply putting a container around words,” it is a freeing and energizing concept that I’ve been contemplating for next semester’s Writ 101 class.  I have already noted a shift this semester is loosening up and approaching the writing assignments in the context of “papers [that] are working out ideas” (Brooke 2).   

I thought the &quot;Proairesis&quot; chapters was interesting too -- particularly the discussion about &quot;metatextuality&quot; that Brooke discusses ( 79).  I think this relates to the genre of blogs and the flexibility that blogs give use when writing in an academic forum.  I think the use of the blog may be something I utilize in the future for my classes.  Reading your “new media journalism” has been interesting for me this semester (even more than in Dr. Sexson’s class).  I think helping students see that there is a way to adapt to an in-between the “academic” and the “informal” and still have it read “academically” is something that I have learned from reading your work, and if you don’t mind, I will probably use your site as an example in the future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that “one of the educational opportunities new media provides is a first-hand experience for students to shed light on the myth that academic writing is simply putting a container around words,” it is a freeing and energizing concept that I’ve been contemplating for next semester’s Writ 101 class.  I have already noted a shift this semester is loosening up and approaching the writing assignments in the context of “papers [that] are working out ideas” (Brooke 2).   </p>
<p>I thought the &#8220;Proairesis&#8221; chapters was interesting too &#8212; particularly the discussion about &#8220;metatextuality&#8221; that Brooke discusses ( 79).  I think this relates to the genre of blogs and the flexibility that blogs give use when writing in an academic forum.  I think the use of the blog may be something I utilize in the future for my classes.  Reading your “new media journalism” has been interesting for me this semester (even more than in Dr. Sexson’s class).  I think helping students see that there is a way to adapt to an in-between the “academic” and the “informal” and still have it read “academically” is something that I have learned from reading your work, and if you don’t mind, I will probably use your site as an example in the future.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Collections Shedding Containers by ARRIVES</title>
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		<dc:creator>ARRIVES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your anecdote to Mr. Bauerlein made me laugh. Every time his name is mentioned I cringe remembering how angry I became reading his book. Like you, Hayles, Carr and Bauerlein I have reservations about where all of this new media may be taking us. It’s scary, and I worry about how much reading my students are or are not doing. Heck, I worry about how much reading my younger cousins are or are not doing, but I think going into it with the whole &quot;our world is coming to an end and people are getting dumber” attitude of Bauerlein is unproductive. Part of the problem, I would assume, is that when people like Carr and Bauerlein write their respective books, they are assuming all reading done on the web must be shallow just because of the medium. However, Brooke cautions that “Too often hypertext theory assumed that a change in medium automatically entailed leaving the features of the other media behind” (97). There seems to be an interesting contradiction here. On one hand, we have spent an entire semester discussing how using new media in the classroom has yet to be successful because we treat it like old media. In other words, what we create for new media looks just like what we create for print media. This seems to go against the ideas of Bauerlein, on the other hand. If this is true, then much of what is on the web should resemble what we read in print. To complicate matters, Hayles gives an example of students reading Frankenstein and Patchwork Girl: “By the end the students, who already admired Frankenstein and were enthralled by Mary Shelley’s narrative, were able to see that electronic literature might be comparably complex and would also repay close attention to its strategies, structure, form, rhetoric, and themes” (77). I’m not really sure where I’m going with this, but I see two opposing forces at play. In one sense we want new media to be different than print/old media. However, when this happens we complain that we have lost the depth and complexity we have with print media. When, like Patchwork Girl, the depth and complexity is there, we complain that it is too much like print media. I’m now talking in circles. I’ll keep working on this idea.

This idea of personalized writing practices that you bring up is also interesting. I think it is something that we’ve been discussing via Deb’s blog in terms of how computer readers promote or really don’t promote personalized writing practices. Does new media inherently promote personalized writing practices as opposed to old media? I don’t think so. Brookes points out that we often treat “‘currently existing theories’…more narrowly than they deserve” (127). In doing this, “new media scholars are often guilty of characterizing the users of older media as straw people—as ‘passive’ consumers of works forced on them by ‘tyrannical’ authors/designers/artists…This faux politicization of the medium has been thoroughly discredited…but the argument, built on a sloppy, overgeneralized contrast, persists in some accounts to this day” (127). When we characterize old media as constraining and new media as liberating we are being too general. Considering the prominent rise of computer readers, new media is in fact becoming more restrictive and not liberating. Also, I’m not sure that writing in old media has always had to be constraining. I agree with  your ending sentiment that we need to move forward and try some new things, and I’m on board with including more new media in my classroom; however, I’m cautious to think that new media is inherently better, more liberating, and will produce more personalized writing practices. There are limitations to what it can do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your anecdote to Mr. Bauerlein made me laugh. Every time his name is mentioned I cringe remembering how angry I became reading his book. Like you, Hayles, Carr and Bauerlein I have reservations about where all of this new media may be taking us. It’s scary, and I worry about how much reading my students are or are not doing. Heck, I worry about how much reading my younger cousins are or are not doing, but I think going into it with the whole &#8220;our world is coming to an end and people are getting dumber” attitude of Bauerlein is unproductive. Part of the problem, I would assume, is that when people like Carr and Bauerlein write their respective books, they are assuming all reading done on the web must be shallow just because of the medium. However, Brooke cautions that “Too often hypertext theory assumed that a change in medium automatically entailed leaving the features of the other media behind” (97). There seems to be an interesting contradiction here. On one hand, we have spent an entire semester discussing how using new media in the classroom has yet to be successful because we treat it like old media. In other words, what we create for new media looks just like what we create for print media. This seems to go against the ideas of Bauerlein, on the other hand. If this is true, then much of what is on the web should resemble what we read in print. To complicate matters, Hayles gives an example of students reading Frankenstein and Patchwork Girl: “By the end the students, who already admired Frankenstein and were enthralled by Mary Shelley’s narrative, were able to see that electronic literature might be comparably complex and would also repay close attention to its strategies, structure, form, rhetoric, and themes” (77). I’m not really sure where I’m going with this, but I see two opposing forces at play. In one sense we want new media to be different than print/old media. However, when this happens we complain that we have lost the depth and complexity we have with print media. When, like Patchwork Girl, the depth and complexity is there, we complain that it is too much like print media. I’m now talking in circles. I’ll keep working on this idea.</p>
<p>This idea of personalized writing practices that you bring up is also interesting. I think it is something that we’ve been discussing via Deb’s blog in terms of how computer readers promote or really don’t promote personalized writing practices. Does new media inherently promote personalized writing practices as opposed to old media? I don’t think so. Brookes points out that we often treat “‘currently existing theories’…more narrowly than they deserve” (127). In doing this, “new media scholars are often guilty of characterizing the users of older media as straw people—as ‘passive’ consumers of works forced on them by ‘tyrannical’ authors/designers/artists…This faux politicization of the medium has been thoroughly discredited…but the argument, built on a sloppy, overgeneralized contrast, persists in some accounts to this day” (127). When we characterize old media as constraining and new media as liberating we are being too general. Considering the prominent rise of computer readers, new media is in fact becoming more restrictive and not liberating. Also, I’m not sure that writing in old media has always had to be constraining. I agree with  your ending sentiment that we need to move forward and try some new things, and I’m on board with including more new media in my classroom; however, I’m cautious to think that new media is inherently better, more liberating, and will produce more personalized writing practices. There are limitations to what it can do.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Collections Shedding Containers by jenny thornburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>jenny thornburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anthony,
I like your train of thought here:
“(Interesting anecdote, Mark, since you seem to be so fond of them: I forgot your name but remembered the name of your book and Googled it.  So I forgot your name, but remembered what N. Katherine Hayles thought of your book.  Does that make me a member of the dumbest generation, or am I a member of the smartest generation for classifying keywords in order to better utilize my brain and technologies, or are you the smart one for coming up with a creative, memorable title?)”
You make an excellent point, for this is precisely a microcosm of the hyperreading/close reading situation. Your thinking represents the networking, the connections made in a new type of reading. Admittedly, I am not a student of ‘hyperreading,’ though I may become one. As Forest  Gump’s Mama always said, 
Stupid is as stupid does.” And what you represented does not appear stupid to me at all. It seems quite smart. 
So I’m reading your blog, saying ‘yup, yup, yup’ to your cogent discourse when I remembered a line that struck me from Chapter 5 in Lingua Fracta. “The move to new media, and to users who are much more “active” by contrast, ends up appearing (and is sometimes characterized as) liberatory. This faux politicization of the medium has been thoroughly discredited, as I mention in chapter 3, but the argument, built on a sloppy, overgeneralized contrast, persists in some accounts to this day”(127). That brought me up short. What does he mean? I wondered. I returned to the text:
“The static styles and literacies with which we have worked are no longer sufficient the argument goes, and so we must disrupt them, eventually rethinking our approach…” Brooke goes on to say that we treat existing theories more narrowly than they deserve.  In attempting to ‘bust’ out of this container, I’m sure I have ‘characterized new media as liberatory’ and frankly, I still think it is. I invite anyone who reads this to join the conversation, as I’m still not entirely sure what he’s getting at here.
I agree that Brooke makes better use of multi-modality than Manovich, but I found myself unimpressed with some of his image choices. Honestly, they were so small that they were nearly unintelligible(or is that my aging vision?) I think he should have oriented them differently, or used a partial close-up. I know he had to work with borders, etc., but images don’t ‘perform’ if one can’t discern them. Or maybe he wanted the overall form, the screenshot, to be the message rather than the content.
Finally, loved that film clip. How poignant it was, and how astute your linking of it to the Brooke quote on collections. I had missed that one—it’s lovely. Rock on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony,<br />
I like your train of thought here:<br />
“(Interesting anecdote, Mark, since you seem to be so fond of them: I forgot your name but remembered the name of your book and Googled it.  So I forgot your name, but remembered what N. Katherine Hayles thought of your book.  Does that make me a member of the dumbest generation, or am I a member of the smartest generation for classifying keywords in order to better utilize my brain and technologies, or are you the smart one for coming up with a creative, memorable title?)”<br />
You make an excellent point, for this is precisely a microcosm of the hyperreading/close reading situation. Your thinking represents the networking, the connections made in a new type of reading. Admittedly, I am not a student of ‘hyperreading,’ though I may become one. As Forest  Gump’s Mama always said,<br />
Stupid is as stupid does.” And what you represented does not appear stupid to me at all. It seems quite smart.<br />
So I’m reading your blog, saying ‘yup, yup, yup’ to your cogent discourse when I remembered a line that struck me from Chapter 5 in Lingua Fracta. “The move to new media, and to users who are much more “active” by contrast, ends up appearing (and is sometimes characterized as) liberatory. This faux politicization of the medium has been thoroughly discredited, as I mention in chapter 3, but the argument, built on a sloppy, overgeneralized contrast, persists in some accounts to this day”(127). That brought me up short. What does he mean? I wondered. I returned to the text:<br />
“The static styles and literacies with which we have worked are no longer sufficient the argument goes, and so we must disrupt them, eventually rethinking our approach…” Brooke goes on to say that we treat existing theories more narrowly than they deserve.  In attempting to ‘bust’ out of this container, I’m sure I have ‘characterized new media as liberatory’ and frankly, I still think it is. I invite anyone who reads this to join the conversation, as I’m still not entirely sure what he’s getting at here.<br />
I agree that Brooke makes better use of multi-modality than Manovich, but I found myself unimpressed with some of his image choices. Honestly, they were so small that they were nearly unintelligible(or is that my aging vision?) I think he should have oriented them differently, or used a partial close-up. I know he had to work with borders, etc., but images don’t ‘perform’ if one can’t discern them. Or maybe he wanted the overall form, the screenshot, to be the message rather than the content.<br />
Finally, loved that film clip. How poignant it was, and how astute your linking of it to the Brooke quote on collections. I had missed that one—it’s lovely. Rock on.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Gonzo Rhetoric vs. Cool Rhetoric by Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 23:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do find your comment a bit difficult to follow, except at the beginning and end, so I&#039;ll start at the beginning and work my way through to the end.  I like that you compare Gonzo rhetoric to satire, but Gonzo is not always satirical.  At times it can be a very serious, consisting of personal attacks, name-calling, etc., and hardly serves as social criticism.  When it is no longer critical of society but of individuals, it is no longer satirical.  When Thompson was calling Nixon swine, it wasn&#039;t satirical; it was a personal attack on Nixon and a personal conviction of Thompson&#039;s (that ended up being correct in the eyes of many).  I think my professional paper will uncover the fact that news outlets have made the satirical aspects of Gonzo rhetoric mute because the audience takes it so seriously now.  They actually believe the shit Bill O&#039;Reilly is spitting, and our arguments have devolved to personal attacks that were common to Gonzo, but no longer lead the reader to a deeper truth or understanding.  I do like how you call it the &quot;bastard child of old and new rhetoric,&quot; which I think does apply to Gonzo at its best (1960s and 1970s).

It&#039;s difficult to clarify the definition because Gonzo is applicable to just about anything.  Though, Thompson&#039;s bread and butter was politics, he was also a sports writer, so I don&#039;t know that we can redefine Gonzo rhetoric using a genre to clarify it.  However, even Thompson&#039;s sports writing drew on political events, especially Hey, Rube!, a book comparing the addictive and competitive nature of sports and politics.  Perhaps I should reconsider clarifying through stating a specific genre, but I&#039;ll need more feedback.

I&#039;m not sure if Rice would find Gonzo rhetoric cool or not, but it certainly applies more than one of his suggestions for cool writing, and though I find it very difficult to incorporate every suggestion he makes (appropriation, commutation, juxtaposition, nonlinearity, and imagery) in a written text, I think Rice&#039;s ideal of the coolest writing would do so.  So Gonzo is cool, and a child of cool, but not that cool.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do find your comment a bit difficult to follow, except at the beginning and end, so I&#8217;ll start at the beginning and work my way through to the end.  I like that you compare Gonzo rhetoric to satire, but Gonzo is not always satirical.  At times it can be a very serious, consisting of personal attacks, name-calling, etc., and hardly serves as social criticism.  When it is no longer critical of society but of individuals, it is no longer satirical.  When Thompson was calling Nixon swine, it wasn&#8217;t satirical; it was a personal attack on Nixon and a personal conviction of Thompson&#8217;s (that ended up being correct in the eyes of many).  I think my professional paper will uncover the fact that news outlets have made the satirical aspects of Gonzo rhetoric mute because the audience takes it so seriously now.  They actually believe the shit Bill O&#8217;Reilly is spitting, and our arguments have devolved to personal attacks that were common to Gonzo, but no longer lead the reader to a deeper truth or understanding.  I do like how you call it the &#8220;bastard child of old and new rhetoric,&#8221; which I think does apply to Gonzo at its best (1960s and 1970s).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s difficult to clarify the definition because Gonzo is applicable to just about anything.  Though, Thompson&#8217;s bread and butter was politics, he was also a sports writer, so I don&#8217;t know that we can redefine Gonzo rhetoric using a genre to clarify it.  However, even Thompson&#8217;s sports writing drew on political events, especially Hey, Rube!, a book comparing the addictive and competitive nature of sports and politics.  Perhaps I should reconsider clarifying through stating a specific genre, but I&#8217;ll need more feedback.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if Rice would find Gonzo rhetoric cool or not, but it certainly applies more than one of his suggestions for cool writing, and though I find it very difficult to incorporate every suggestion he makes (appropriation, commutation, juxtaposition, nonlinearity, and imagery) in a written text, I think Rice&#8217;s ideal of the coolest writing would do so.  So Gonzo is cool, and a child of cool, but not that cool.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Gonzo Rhetoric vs. Cool Rhetoric by jenny thornburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>jenny thornburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay, had to actually look up Gonzo journalism:  &quot;Gonzo journalism disregards the strictly edited product favored by newspaper media and strives for a more gritty, personal approach—the personality of a piece is just as important as the event the piece is on. Use of sarcasm, humor, exaggeration, and profanity is common.&quot; Wikipedia
I think Erica is right about the satire, and it does seem to be a cross-breed of traditional(narrative, linear) and cool(avante garde, subjective, irreverent). I think it&#039;s &#039;cool&#039; that you evaluated your favorite genre in terms of our week&#039;s readings. When we actually apply what we learn, it sticks, and expands.
Regarding how to figure out the familial relationship of Gonzo to Cool: have you ever heard the song, I Am My Own Grandpa? Ha. How do you feel about Erica&#039;s conclusion, it&#039;s the bastard child of old and new rhetoric? I think it&#039;s hilarious...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, had to actually look up Gonzo journalism:  &#8220;Gonzo journalism disregards the strictly edited product favored by newspaper media and strives for a more gritty, personal approach—the personality of a piece is just as important as the event the piece is on. Use of sarcasm, humor, exaggeration, and profanity is common.&#8221; Wikipedia<br />
I think Erica is right about the satire, and it does seem to be a cross-breed of traditional(narrative, linear) and cool(avante garde, subjective, irreverent). I think it&#8217;s &#8216;cool&#8217; that you evaluated your favorite genre in terms of our week&#8217;s readings. When we actually apply what we learn, it sticks, and expands.<br />
Regarding how to figure out the familial relationship of Gonzo to Cool: have you ever heard the song, I Am My Own Grandpa? Ha. How do you feel about Erica&#8217;s conclusion, it&#8217;s the bastard child of old and new rhetoric? I think it&#8217;s hilarious&#8230;</p>
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